i LOVE this saddle but my horse broke just prior to receipt of the saddle and sadly today I am not sure he will be able to jump again. This saddle is in brand new condition - only a handful of rides at the walk - I was never able to begin the Stubben break-in period of riding without a saddle pad for 20 hours so the wool ready to be molded to your horses back! 17.5/27 standard forward flap (measures 12.5 from stirrup bar to bottom of flap), soft seat, black leather with subtle gray piping on the seat. Elegant, 'saddle of a life time'! Comes with Stubben saddle cover. Paid $4000 firm, no trial.